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	<description>the collision of faith and Asian American culture</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2009/06/06/apologies/#comment-5943</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 11:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like this article or the one before it.  It is full of judgement, first on Francis Chan and then on the &quot;white church of America. All of us Christians are in this together, we are all a part of the body of Christ. These articles do nothing to promote unity within the body.  I would suggest that we all focus on unity, grace, love, and reconciliation instead of what seems to be a bitter spirit. Christ himself prayed for the unity of his church. 

The beauty of the church is diversity of races, backgrounds, denominations, individual personality, socio-economic, worship styles, etc which is all under the head of Jesus Christ. You sound like an angry elf, but I won&#039;t hate on you because you&#039;re my brother in Christ.  


May God bless you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like this article or the one before it.  It is full of judgement, first on Francis Chan and then on the &#8220;white church of America. All of us Christians are in this together, we are all a part of the body of Christ. These articles do nothing to promote unity within the body.  I would suggest that we all focus on unity, grace, love, and reconciliation instead of what seems to be a bitter spirit. Christ himself prayed for the unity of his church. </p>
<p>The beauty of the church is diversity of races, backgrounds, denominations, individual personality, socio-economic, worship styles, etc which is all under the head of Jesus Christ. You sound like an angry elf, but I won&#8217;t hate on you because you&#8217;re my brother in Christ.  </p>
<p>May God bless you!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2009/06/06/apologies/#comment-5254</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, this is so old, that I wonder if I should bother posting, but here goes.  So I gather that the author is Asian.  I have no idea what that means, but I have good Asian friends and we get along just great.  Is it weird that we don&#039;t talk about Asian faith and Caucasian faith when we are together.  I don&#039;t talk about Hispanic faith with my Hispanic Friend.  Not that I think about it, I don&#039;t talk about Caucasian faith with my Caucasian friends.  We talk about biblical faith.  We talk about becoming more like Jesus.  We want to be more Jewish, I guess.  Seriously, why would the author focus on the color of the speakers rather than the content of their message?  Francis Chan inspires me.  When I first saw him at Catylist West, I sluggled me in the gut!  FIguratively speaking, of course.  I love the guy and I didn&#039;t consider his skin color - although I noticed a lot of skin on his head.  Let&#039;s start focusing on what Jesus calls us to be and do and let the skin color take a minor role in the work we are called to do as the body of Christ.  We - all of us - are the body of Christ.  period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, this is so old, that I wonder if I should bother posting, but here goes.  So I gather that the author is Asian.  I have no idea what that means, but I have good Asian friends and we get along just great.  Is it weird that we don&#8217;t talk about Asian faith and Caucasian faith when we are together.  I don&#8217;t talk about Hispanic faith with my Hispanic Friend.  Not that I think about it, I don&#8217;t talk about Caucasian faith with my Caucasian friends.  We talk about biblical faith.  We talk about becoming more like Jesus.  We want to be more Jewish, I guess.  Seriously, why would the author focus on the color of the speakers rather than the content of their message?  Francis Chan inspires me.  When I first saw him at Catylist West, I sluggled me in the gut!  FIguratively speaking, of course.  I love the guy and I didn&#8217;t consider his skin color &#8211; although I noticed a lot of skin on his head.  Let&#8217;s start focusing on what Jesus calls us to be and do and let the skin color take a minor role in the work we are called to do as the body of Christ.  We &#8211; all of us &#8211; are the body of Christ.  period.</p>
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		<title>By: Shanna</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2009/06/06/apologies/#comment-3442</link>
		<dc:creator>Shanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not getting why race is even brought up as an issue, sorry. As a &#039;German-American&#039; it has never crossed my mind that my race has anything to  do with any particular specific expression in the church, or anything to do with what God has called me to do, or who He&#039;s called me to do it for. I did however a few years back get rid of a sweatshirt I had that had &#039;German pride&#039; written across it. I was convicted that I have looked to that as part of my identity with an aire of pride and sense of finding identity in anything other than Christ and what He is making me into. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s any different for any other race, however obvious the difference in appearance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not getting why race is even brought up as an issue, sorry. As a &#8216;German-American&#8217; it has never crossed my mind that my race has anything to  do with any particular specific expression in the church, or anything to do with what God has called me to do, or who He&#8217;s called me to do it for. I did however a few years back get rid of a sweatshirt I had that had &#8216;German pride&#8217; written across it. I was convicted that I have looked to that as part of my identity with an aire of pride and sense of finding identity in anything other than Christ and what He is making me into. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s any different for any other race, however obvious the difference in appearance.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2009/06/06/apologies/#comment-1917</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 01:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brazil went through this already.  They don&#039;t describe people by geographical/cultural labels, but ONLY pigments.  Black, White, Pardo, Yellow, Indigenous.  The problem is that when you look into it further, Yellow and Indigenous are still geographical/cultural labels masked as color.  East Asia for the former and Natives for the latter.  In actuality, there are only three races in the world.  Black, White, and Pardo (Grey-Brown).

There are White Asians (Russia, Georgia, Central Asia), Pardo Asians (East Asia/Southeast Asia), and Black Asians (Sri Lanka, India, Indonesia); there are White Arabs, Pardo Arabs, and Black Arabs; there are White Hispanics, Pardo Hispanics, and Black Hispanics (Caribbean); there are White Africans, Pardo Africans, and Black Africans.  There are White Natives, Pardo Natives, and Black Natives.  Race is a color, not a geographical/cultural thing!

We have Africans, Arabs, Asians, Hispanics, and Natives that are Pardo Americans!  And they are all of the same race color.  Too bad many don&#039;t see this because they have cultural blinders on, thinking they are separate people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brazil went through this already.  They don&#8217;t describe people by geographical/cultural labels, but ONLY pigments.  Black, White, Pardo, Yellow, Indigenous.  The problem is that when you look into it further, Yellow and Indigenous are still geographical/cultural labels masked as color.  East Asia for the former and Natives for the latter.  In actuality, there are only three races in the world.  Black, White, and Pardo (Grey-Brown).</p>
<p>There are White Asians (Russia, Georgia, Central Asia), Pardo Asians (East Asia/Southeast Asia), and Black Asians (Sri Lanka, India, Indonesia); there are White Arabs, Pardo Arabs, and Black Arabs; there are White Hispanics, Pardo Hispanics, and Black Hispanics (Caribbean); there are White Africans, Pardo Africans, and Black Africans.  There are White Natives, Pardo Natives, and Black Natives.  Race is a color, not a geographical/cultural thing!</p>
<p>We have Africans, Arabs, Asians, Hispanics, and Natives that are Pardo Americans!  And they are all of the same race color.  Too bad many don&#8217;t see this because they have cultural blinders on, thinking they are separate people.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2009/06/06/apologies/#comment-1919</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 05:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to be a party pooper or anything but the whole &quot;Asian American&quot; thing is old news in racial studies.

Just like we no longer have European American as a designation (or African American).  Every Hispanic, Asian, Arab, Northern Africans, Hawaiians/Pacific Islanders, Natives of Alaska and America have been systematically separated and designated an illogical geographical location so that they cannot form one large COLOR group (e.g., Tan Americans or Brown Americans).  If they did, it would just expose the &quot;hidden&quot; majority of voters which is neither &quot;White&quot; nor &quot;Black&quot; but &quot;Tan.&quot;  This hypothetical group would include parts of southern Europeans (e.g., Greeks, Italians, Spanish), Near East, Arabs, Lebanese, North and East Africans,  all the others mentioned above.

The &quot;Whites&quot; appropriate the light skinned people of these groups as their own in the government Census, why shouldn&#039;t the &quot;Tans&quot; do likewise?  Just comes to show the color system is absurd and used to benefit &quot;White&quot; group and marginalize all potential threat (whether consciously or not).  Most likely consciously.

There&#039;s a short article on wikipedia called &quot;Tan Americans&quot; which will probably be taken down due to the controversial nature of proposing another racial color.  Check it out while you still can.  God bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be a party pooper or anything but the whole &#8220;Asian American&#8221; thing is old news in racial studies.</p>
<p>Just like we no longer have European American as a designation (or African American).  Every Hispanic, Asian, Arab, Northern Africans, Hawaiians/Pacific Islanders, Natives of Alaska and America have been systematically separated and designated an illogical geographical location so that they cannot form one large COLOR group (e.g., Tan Americans or Brown Americans).  If they did, it would just expose the &#8220;hidden&#8221; majority of voters which is neither &#8220;White&#8221; nor &#8220;Black&#8221; but &#8220;Tan.&#8221;  This hypothetical group would include parts of southern Europeans (e.g., Greeks, Italians, Spanish), Near East, Arabs, Lebanese, North and East Africans,  all the others mentioned above.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Whites&#8221; appropriate the light skinned people of these groups as their own in the government Census, why shouldn&#8217;t the &#8220;Tans&#8221; do likewise?  Just comes to show the color system is absurd and used to benefit &#8220;White&#8221; group and marginalize all potential threat (whether consciously or not).  Most likely consciously.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a short article on wikipedia called &#8220;Tan Americans&#8221; which will probably be taken down due to the controversial nature of proposing another racial color.  Check it out while you still can.  God bless.</p>
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		<title>By: Cloudyriver</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2009/06/06/apologies/#comment-1915</link>
		<dc:creator>Cloudyriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 00:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first article was sad, and so is this one.

If this was a group of Black Christian American&#039;s.......or Hispanic Christian American&#039;s.....or any other race where a person could immediately identify the demographic (if that were their focus).........then apparently you wouldn&#039;t have any trouble?

Your article is not about anything but reverse-racism and even racism toward another demographic (Asian Americans).  What&#039;s the point?  Other than to point out that a bunch of Christian&#039;s, who happen to be white, and &#039;think white&#039; are somehow offending your individual sensitivities toward race and naturally occurring (not forced, not sought after because you say so) segregation?

What we don&#039;t need in this country is one more person who wants to take something that&#039;s good, and make it bad.   If you want to make sure that things represent a better blending of the Christian population, then by all means do something about it by organizing your own gathering and ensuring by all means possible that we have the proper percentage of each demographic.  But, don&#039;t pick on one or two groups out of billions of American&#039;s (who are trying to do something good here mind you).....to further the hate or anger that you clearly express.........revised or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first article was sad, and so is this one.</p>
<p>If this was a group of Black Christian American&#8217;s&#8230;&#8230;.or Hispanic Christian American&#8217;s&#8230;..or any other race where a person could immediately identify the demographic (if that were their focus)&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;then apparently you wouldn&#8217;t have any trouble?</p>
<p>Your article is not about anything but reverse-racism and even racism toward another demographic (Asian Americans).  What&#8217;s the point?  Other than to point out that a bunch of Christian&#8217;s, who happen to be white, and &#8216;think white&#8217; are somehow offending your individual sensitivities toward race and naturally occurring (not forced, not sought after because you say so) segregation?</p>
<p>What we don&#8217;t need in this country is one more person who wants to take something that&#8217;s good, and make it bad.   If you want to make sure that things represent a better blending of the Christian population, then by all means do something about it by organizing your own gathering and ensuring by all means possible that we have the proper percentage of each demographic.  But, don&#8217;t pick on one or two groups out of billions of American&#8217;s (who are trying to do something good here mind you)&#8230;..to further the hate or anger that you clearly express&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;revised or not.</p>
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		<title>By: EK</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2009/06/06/apologies/#comment-1918</link>
		<dc:creator>EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 03:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just think that people have different callings. While many Asian American pastors might share the same goals as you, Francis Chan might have completely different goals. Francis Chan, for example, nowadays focuses on teaching Christians how to become disciple makers, instead of passive consumers at church. I think people with different views and goals make Christianity more diverse (although the ultimate goal should be the same), not just different ethnicities. I don&#039;t know how &quot;Asian&quot; Francis Chan is, but I will feel uncomfortable if he pretends to be &quot;Asian&quot; when he is not. He might be very white inside because of his upbringings, and that&#039;s fine. He can&#039;t change who he is. I am sure there are many Asian American pastors who want to relate to Asian American communities and address issues that affect Asian Americans, and that is laudable. However, I think imposing that to everyone might be dangerous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just think that people have different callings. While many Asian American pastors might share the same goals as you, Francis Chan might have completely different goals. Francis Chan, for example, nowadays focuses on teaching Christians how to become disciple makers, instead of passive consumers at church. I think people with different views and goals make Christianity more diverse (although the ultimate goal should be the same), not just different ethnicities. I don&#8217;t know how &#8220;Asian&#8221; Francis Chan is, but I will feel uncomfortable if he pretends to be &#8220;Asian&#8221; when he is not. He might be very white inside because of his upbringings, and that&#8217;s fine. He can&#8217;t change who he is. I am sure there are many Asian American pastors who want to relate to Asian American communities and address issues that affect Asian Americans, and that is laudable. However, I think imposing that to everyone might be dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2009/06/06/apologies/#comment-1916</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 09:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This issue of racism is becoming increasingly volatile as time progresses. I do not wish to minimize the struggles of Asian Americans or any other race for that matter. The Bible says we are not Greek nor Jew nor slave nor free man. We are all equal in Gods eyes. This is going to seem a contrast the verse I just quoted, but I feel the need to address this. Danny you made a comment about whites embrassing the whiteness of that particular conference. The problem is that we can&#039;t. I really don&#039;t care for supporting race based initiatives for the simple fact it promotes separation. For a conference to embrace its whiteness would be paramount to making it a racist gathering. If that particular conference or anything cites that it caters predominantly to whites then it is labelled as offensive and racist. Whether this be right in the concept that we need to do away with race based gatherings or whether it be wrong that it shows a discrimination against whites I do not know. The one point I would like for people in general, be they white, asian, Hispanic, black, or any other ethnicity is that if it is wrong for one it is wrong for all. If it is wrong for one race to say or act a certain way then in all fairness why would someone engage in a behavior that they have condemned in someone else. I understand horrible things have happened and that horrible things still happen based on race, however the only way to end racism is to end racism, not proliferate it based on our desire for racial pride and a sense of entitlement based on race. That only excels the problem. I really hope that this was received in the way it was sent. I am not attempting to stir up racial prejudices or animosities, I am seeking to stop them, on all levels. May God go with you and the salvation of Jesus Christ encompass you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This issue of racism is becoming increasingly volatile as time progresses. I do not wish to minimize the struggles of Asian Americans or any other race for that matter. The Bible says we are not Greek nor Jew nor slave nor free man. We are all equal in Gods eyes. This is going to seem a contrast the verse I just quoted, but I feel the need to address this. Danny you made a comment about whites embrassing the whiteness of that particular conference. The problem is that we can&#8217;t. I really don&#8217;t care for supporting race based initiatives for the simple fact it promotes separation. For a conference to embrace its whiteness would be paramount to making it a racist gathering. If that particular conference or anything cites that it caters predominantly to whites then it is labelled as offensive and racist. Whether this be right in the concept that we need to do away with race based gatherings or whether it be wrong that it shows a discrimination against whites I do not know. The one point I would like for people in general, be they white, asian, Hispanic, black, or any other ethnicity is that if it is wrong for one it is wrong for all. If it is wrong for one race to say or act a certain way then in all fairness why would someone engage in a behavior that they have condemned in someone else. I understand horrible things have happened and that horrible things still happen based on race, however the only way to end racism is to end racism, not proliferate it based on our desire for racial pride and a sense of entitlement based on race. That only excels the problem. I really hope that this was received in the way it was sent. I am not attempting to stir up racial prejudices or animosities, I am seeking to stop them, on all levels. May God go with you and the salvation of Jesus Christ encompass you.</p>
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