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	<title>Comments on: Ministry Idea</title>
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	<description>the collision of faith and Asian American culture</description>
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		<title>By: William Woo</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2008/04/27/ministry-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-1333</link>
		<dc:creator>William Woo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 03:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife doesn&#039;t like this idea about the car.  She said, &quot;why does the car have to have bible verses and stuff, why couldn&#039;t Christians just have a regular car, and share with the people who come by anyways.&quot;  I agree.  I was fixed on the method too much...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife doesn&#8217;t like this idea about the car.  She said, &#8220;why does the car have to have bible verses and stuff, why couldn&#8217;t Christians just have a regular car, and share with the people who come by anyways.&#8221;  I agree.  I was fixed on the method too much&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Step Right Up, Get Your Church Here! &#171; headsparks*</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2008/04/27/ministry-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-1332</link>
		<dc:creator>Step Right Up, Get Your Church Here! &#171; headsparks*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it can feel a bit like selling a used car. Here&#8217;s a great quote from David Park over at Next Gener.Asian Church: i’m tired of Christians trying to “sell” something. my friend peter says that listening to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it can feel a bit like selling a used car. Here&#8217;s a great quote from David Park over at Next Gener.Asian Church: i’m tired of Christians trying to “sell” something. my friend peter says that listening to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2008/04/27/ministry-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-1329</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David--Sleep?  They say that 90% of church goers do not share the gospel.  What can spur our people on, that the Holy Spirit can use?

The church today is asking for artist, and there is so much written about artistic expression in the church.  I guess this also has to do with art.
At an  auto show.  Y&#039;know those guys are artists.  Nothing is for sale.  The car is like a canvas.  Thats all.  No cheap trick.  No gimmick.

There are guys that have tattoos with which they use to share the Gospel.

But I hear you.  Ultimately a person can be the rude guy on the bus, cornering people and forcing their message down people&#039;s throats.  Thats not what I&#039;m talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David&#8211;Sleep?  They say that 90% of church goers do not share the gospel.  What can spur our people on, that the Holy Spirit can use?</p>
<p>The church today is asking for artist, and there is so much written about artistic expression in the church.  I guess this also has to do with art.<br />
At an  auto show.  Y&#8217;know those guys are artists.  Nothing is for sale.  The car is like a canvas.  Thats all.  No cheap trick.  No gimmick.</p>
<p>There are guys that have tattoos with which they use to share the Gospel.</p>
<p>But I hear you.  Ultimately a person can be the rude guy on the bus, cornering people and forcing their message down people&#8217;s throats.  Thats not what I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: David Park</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2008/04/27/ministry-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-1323</link>
		<dc:creator>David Park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William, get some sleep!

I haven&#039;t read Dever&#039;s book, but I recently heard a comedian talk about bumper stickers in that they&#039;re helpful because they could indicate, &quot;yeah, we&#039;re never going hang out.&quot;

i&#039;m not so sure that the gospel message is simple enough to be emblazoned on a car. or that they would even make sense. i think people are looking for real people, not slogans or sales pitches. we are such a commercialized society that people can hear a proposition coming from a mile away. i mean, have you ever run into someone in a network marketing scheme like amway or something? and how do you react to telemarketers?

hudson taylor didn&#039;t just put on an act, he gave up everything, even to the point of poverty. and losing his life there. there was no gimmick. the gospel is no cheap trick, we shouldn&#039;t reduce it to such.

“For we are not peddlers of God’s word like so many; but in Christ we speak as persons of sincerity, as persons sent from God and standing in his presence.”(2Cor 2:17)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William, get some sleep!</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read Dever&#8217;s book, but I recently heard a comedian talk about bumper stickers in that they&#8217;re helpful because they could indicate, &#8220;yeah, we&#8217;re never going hang out.&#8221;</p>
<p>i&#8217;m not so sure that the gospel message is simple enough to be emblazoned on a car. or that they would even make sense. i think people are looking for real people, not slogans or sales pitches. we are such a commercialized society that people can hear a proposition coming from a mile away. i mean, have you ever run into someone in a network marketing scheme like amway or something? and how do you react to telemarketers?</p>
<p>hudson taylor didn&#8217;t just put on an act, he gave up everything, even to the point of poverty. and losing his life there. there was no gimmick. the gospel is no cheap trick, we shouldn&#8217;t reduce it to such.</p>
<p>“For we are not peddlers of God’s word like so many; but in Christ we speak as persons of sincerity, as persons sent from God and standing in his presence.”(2Cor 2:17)</p>
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		<title>By: William Woo</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2008/04/27/ministry-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-1324</link>
		<dc:creator>William Woo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes, I shouldn&#039;t be writing at 5 a.m....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes, I shouldn&#8217;t be writing at 5 a.m&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: William Woo</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2008/04/27/ministry-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-1325</link>
		<dc:creator>William Woo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Daniel.  First you clarified what David was saying.  Mark Dever has a book on evangelism that has influenced me.

In my mind the Gospel message would be emblazoned on the car.  The presence of tracts and Bibles would all be very upfront.  There is a reason why we are here.

The materialism issue, did not occur to me.  I just see a generation of guys totally into their cars.  I guess it was a modern take on Hudson Taylor dressing and acting like a Chinese to reach the Chinese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Daniel.  First you clarified what David was saying.  Mark Dever has a book on evangelism that has influenced me.</p>
<p>In my mind the Gospel message would be emblazoned on the car.  The presence of tracts and Bibles would all be very upfront.  There is a reason why we are here.</p>
<p>The materialism issue, did not occur to me.  I just see a generation of guys totally into their cars.  I guess it was a modern take on Hudson Taylor dressing and acting like a Chinese to reach the Chinese.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel so</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2008/04/27/ministry-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-1326</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel so</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William -- I appreciate the idea of trying to meet people where they&#039;re at.  However, I wonder about feeding the materialism of the AA fascination with tuner cars, etc.  Also, I&#039;ve seen people become upset, understandably, after thinking they made a connection with someone (e.g., through cars, skateboarding, music,  film, etc.) only to have it revealed that it was all a setup to present the Gospel.

And, as David pointed out, the bigger picture might be overhauling our whole idea of what evangelism is all about.  I really appreciate the missional concept that God is already at work in the world and we&#039;re invited to be a part of His work -- rather than the colonial notion of &quot;bringing Jesus&quot; to the heathens (wherever they might be).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William &#8212; I appreciate the idea of trying to meet people where they&#8217;re at.  However, I wonder about feeding the materialism of the AA fascination with tuner cars, etc.  Also, I&#8217;ve seen people become upset, understandably, after thinking they made a connection with someone (e.g., through cars, skateboarding, music,  film, etc.) only to have it revealed that it was all a setup to present the Gospel.</p>
<p>And, as David pointed out, the bigger picture might be overhauling our whole idea of what evangelism is all about.  I really appreciate the missional concept that God is already at work in the world and we&#8217;re invited to be a part of His work &#8212; rather than the colonial notion of &#8220;bringing Jesus&#8221; to the heathens (wherever they might be).</p>
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		<title>By: William Woo</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2008/04/27/ministry-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-1331</link>
		<dc:creator>William Woo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol--&gt;Drive By Evangelism.  Well, I was thinking of going to car shows.  If someone painted (not sure what the term is) some nice artisitic scenes (maybe from an evangecube), and listed verses.  It would be more of planting a seed, but of course you would send people to these car shows, to talk to folks, to hand out tracs, etc.

You all ever hear of the Drive - In Church, I think they gave out boxes with the Lord&#039;s Supper inside, and a sermon cassette (now that is dating me...)

Elder J, don&#039;t forget open gym!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol&#8211;&gt;Drive By Evangelism.  Well, I was thinking of going to car shows.  If someone painted (not sure what the term is) some nice artisitic scenes (maybe from an evangecube), and listed verses.  It would be more of planting a seed, but of course you would send people to these car shows, to talk to folks, to hand out tracs, etc.</p>
<p>You all ever hear of the Drive &#8211; In Church, I think they gave out boxes with the Lord&#8217;s Supper inside, and a sermon cassette (now that is dating me&#8230;)</p>
<p>Elder J, don&#8217;t forget open gym!</p>
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		<title>By: mochaquest</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2008/04/27/ministry-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-1330</link>
		<dc:creator>mochaquest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting piece of work. It would be nice if we can exchange links. Please let me know if it is ok. Do email me at arrica.lee@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting piece of work. It would be nice if we can exchange links. Please let me know if it is ok. Do email me at <a href="mailto:arrica.lee@gmail.com">arrica.lee@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: elderj</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2008/04/27/ministry-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-1328</link>
		<dc:creator>elderj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;mon down folks. We&#039;ve got youth ministry, children&#039;s church, couple&#039;s counseling, and financial counseling all for the low low price of a two hour meeting every Sunday and the occasional offering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon down folks. We&#8217;ve got youth ministry, children&#8217;s church, couple&#8217;s counseling, and financial counseling all for the low low price of a two hour meeting every Sunday and the occasional offering.</p>
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