Contributing to Someone Else's Blog

I occasionally stumbled on this blog, but for some reason never noticed the page announcing that this was a collaborative blog. A long time ago I attempted to start one but it didn’t work out due to low readership. Why write when only three people (two others besides the writer) were reading your words? And the other two were brothers. Also we were all pretty much “ABC’s” from the American SW.

Well thank you David Park for allowing me to write. I discovered I commented on here a few years ago on annabanana’s blog entry related to “Women In Ministry”. Two years later, I wonder if my comments were rude? Maybe one day, when video blogging becomes quicker that would be a better forum. To clarify, I’m not sure if I am a good enough writer (or anyone else for that matter) to truly convey my thoughts on a matter. What I mean is, in writing, it’s hard to guage someone’s tone. There may be items left to intrepretation, or questions of interpretation. So I commented on another Next Gener.Asian’s post on women in ministry and as I revisit my comments it has caused me to think and possibly need to clarify…no matter, the conversation sort of ended.

As I go back to the post by Anna, I would add (today). I think the 1 Timothy 2:12 verse deals with the home and the church. Women are teachers in the bible. As I delve more into the Egalitarian/Complimentarian debate, that on the surface complimentarians seem old fashioned. But the Bible does have women teaching other women, and even men (but those situations as far as I’ve noticed are in private settings, not in the church). And I see Deborah as a political leader. Why not woman pursue your doctorate, write books, teach (there are many avenues-from parachurch to schools)…but in church and home, submission to male authority in today’s age would be the ultimate act of humility…well not compared to God becoming a human person…but close. (Esp. as women are the stronger sex).

Someone argued that 1 Timothy 2:12 begs the question, “Does that mean that other men have authority over my wife?” After some thought it has occurred to me, well, in your church it would be your Pastor as the authority (not all the other men) because not all the men are pastors…and in your home, that would be the father/husband. I recently got married, and its just me in my home. Now in regards to that I may be the head but my wife is the neck!

I guess my stance has changed a bit, and I hope to flesh this out a bit more. As I revisit that post (linked above), some additional comments:

  1. “losing support” (the author works/ed in a para-church org)-that was a shame, since she actually did not work in the church. I’m sure some would say that the parachurch group should support the church, and that’s where discipling is best done. But our churches are not getting the job done.
  2. I’m not sure that breaking fellowship over this issue is what needs to be done, although the battles along egalitarian/complimentarian issues seem like that…
  3. ordination-I was curious for what reason? If to receive validation from one’s congregation that they are called to ministry, I say great. Its good to have a body validate one’s ministry, but perhaps the greatest validation comes not from the bride but the bridegroom. The body/church/bride will disappoint, but Jesus never will. Pleasing the church in their wants may displease Jesus, so we do all we can to be please our King. This may involve not getting recoginized by other people…

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Comments

  1. djchuang says:

    Mezuzah, first, a word of welcome to the nextgenerasianchurch.com blog, and great to hear your voice here! I would say this to aspiring writers or even a writer in the rough: one learns to write by writing, and there’s no better place than a blog to get hours of practice in! 🙂

    As for the topic at hand, I’ll comment on the closing remark #3– ordination matters in this real world, and it connotes an institutional recognition and certification of one’s Gospel ministry. It’s a little too easy to say that the only thing that matters is Jesus’ approval. The prayer for this and other things is to have God’s will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

  2. David Park says:

    mezuzah, it’s great to see you hit the ground running here with quite the opening foray!

    the parachurch and the church create an interesting tension. i’m actually of the mind that the church should support the parachurch more, not view the parachurch as merely a funnel into the local church. the reason being that the church views itself too often as a center, rather than a sender (oh yes, that’s so clever of me!).

    i think the women in ministry issue, which seems to be getting a lot mention from asian american leaders these days, for me requires a great deal of sensitivity in light of how our culture has minimized and marginalized the role of women. The church could (and I would argue should) be one place where that aspect of Asian culture is re-interpreted through the Gospel, where husbands do serve and honor their wives. promotion and elevation of women seems to be in order in that process…but i can see how some people would disagree.

    on the matter of ordination, DJ has a point, but i totally feel you on the political problems and limitations of ordination. i think we’ve associated more status than responsibility to the title of ordained. it doesn’t carry any of the upside-down kingdom of heaven…first, last, greater, lesser, decrease to increase…you know what i mean.

  3. elderj says:

    you know… i’ve been thinking a lot recently about this whole women in ministry thing, and … I don’t know… I feel less and less settled with the issue than I’ve ever been. I feel a new post coming soon…

  4. William Woo says:

    Hello folks, thanks for the insight. I’m curious what elderj has in mind. I’ll have to visit his blog…

    I hear what you guys were saying about ordination. I guess its kind of like a fringe (french? 🙂 ) benefit of ministry. I haven’t read it, but Piper has a book entitled, “Brothers, We are not professionals”. Interestingly enough, different churches practice different types of ordination. A friend in Phoenix had his ordinations postponed due to some reason, and he was like, no problem. Ordination to him was just a bunch of pastors (this is a Chinese church) saying they like him. Another friend had to write some paper for his ordination. Was the paper for the church?

    David, when you say “our culture” your meaning Asian culture? I think that in the Western World, women have been able to transcend. If you really look at the overall message of the Bible, you get the sense that Jesus paid more attention to women, and women had strong roles. I read somewhere that women financially supported Jesus and Paul too.

    During my formative years. One of our interim Pastors was from California. He had lead his church to join with other churches to separate from their Baptist association on the side of support for women in ministry. So its been interesting attending SWBTS. In fact there was a whole conference on the issue. http://www.swbts.edu/events/conferences/family/conference_audio.cfm

    The audio is online. Dr. Patterson’s speech is followed by a q and a, that has clarified the complimentarian position. They encourage women to get their Phd’s, write commentaries. Its just in certain areas, they feel women should allow men to do…

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