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	<title>Comments on: New Wine</title>
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	<description>the collision of faith and Asian American culture</description>
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		<title>By: steph</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2007/09/24/new-wine/#comment-980</link>
		<dc:creator>steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lovely- prophetic and moving. i bet this has been building inside you for awhile, glad it all came out at once.

thanks, david.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lovely- prophetic and moving. i bet this has been building inside you for awhile, glad it all came out at once.</p>
<p>thanks, david.</p>
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		<title>By: For such a time as this: the salvation of the American church &#171; InterSection</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2007/09/24/new-wine/#comment-968</link>
		<dc:creator>For such a time as this: the salvation of the American church &#171; InterSection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 04:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] American church lies with us. This revitalization cannot happen however if we simply continue to unthinkingly parrot the systems, ways of being church, and worship structures that have dominated the American landscape.  Published [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] American church lies with us. This revitalization cannot happen however if we simply continue to unthinkingly parrot the systems, ways of being church, and worship structures that have dominated the American landscape.  Published [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Park</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2007/09/24/new-wine/#comment-975</link>
		<dc:creator>David Park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>daniel, tim -

thanks for the kind words. this entry was one of those posts that i wrote in one quick sitting. i don&#039;t know what came over me...but i do want to make sure, more than anything, that i can embody this vision.

tim, you&#039;ve helped me so much over the last couple of years helping me chase out some of my own demons that i can write these things with integrity. thank you for your friendship. i&#039;ll call you soon...this week&#039;s a doozy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>daniel, tim -</p>
<p>thanks for the kind words. this entry was one of those posts that i wrote in one quick sitting. i don&#8217;t know what came over me&#8230;but i do want to make sure, more than anything, that i can embody this vision.</p>
<p>tim, you&#8217;ve helped me so much over the last couple of years helping me chase out some of my own demons that i can write these things with integrity. thank you for your friendship. i&#8217;ll call you soon&#8230;this week&#8217;s a doozy!</p>
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		<title>By: tfrank</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I believe this is one of the most poignant, poetic and profound pieces I have ever read of yours. I think you have hit the nail on the head, and I believe this is not limited to an Asian American point of view. This is every church, every Christian to some degree. This is good. Really good. I want to chew on this some more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I believe this is one of the most poignant, poetic and profound pieces I have ever read of yours. I think you have hit the nail on the head, and I believe this is not limited to an Asian American point of view. This is every church, every Christian to some degree. This is good. Really good. I want to chew on this some more.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel so</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2007/09/24/new-wine/#comment-974</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel so</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David -- Where do I begin to comment?  You have expressed, succinctly and with passion, so much of what has been brewing in my heart over the last several years.  Actually, I do not think I have heard these thoughts before -- at least, not put together in such a compelling way.

If we could awaken in even one of these areas you have identified, our churches would be utterly revitalized. I can only hope that God is stirring up a holy discontent that will lead to a genuine revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8212; Where do I begin to comment?  You have expressed, succinctly and with passion, so much of what has been brewing in my heart over the last several years.  Actually, I do not think I have heard these thoughts before &#8212; at least, not put together in such a compelling way.</p>
<p>If we could awaken in even one of these areas you have identified, our churches would be utterly revitalized. I can only hope that God is stirring up a holy discontent that will lead to a genuine revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: David Park</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2007/09/24/new-wine/#comment-969</link>
		<dc:creator>David Park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>elderj always has this way of distilling my thoughts into a single sentence. thank you brother.

chris, we&#039;ll have to meet up if you&#039;re in the atl again. i&#039;ve really enjoyed getting to know jadanzzy recently. but let me say that there is a place for sanctified discontentment especially when you  look at the breadth of korean american churches, the range of presentation is so narrow. they look and feel remarkably similar regardless of denomination. when i look at that landscape, we are either all right or all wrong, but we definitely need to incorporate extravagant thinking in that midst. i recently heard a john reuben song where he playfully mixes up the idiom, &quot;familiarity breeds contempt; familiarity breeds content; are we content?&quot;

secondly, i will make the statement that faithfulness does not equate to faith. as one of the most churched, best educated, and highest income-earning demographics in america, we have a greater responsibility to speak to the culture at large. tending our own gardens is not enough. german churches who supported the nazis had the same mentality. churches in the South who supported slavery were faithful, but they were not acting out of their faith. again, i&#039;m not saying that this is the pitfall for the korean american church, i&#039;m merely asserting that faithfulness and our prolific church planting does not indicate true substantial faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>elderj always has this way of distilling my thoughts into a single sentence. thank you brother.</p>
<p>chris, we&#8217;ll have to meet up if you&#8217;re in the atl again. i&#8217;ve really enjoyed getting to know jadanzzy recently. but let me say that there is a place for sanctified discontentment especially when you  look at the breadth of korean american churches, the range of presentation is so narrow. they look and feel remarkably similar regardless of denomination. when i look at that landscape, we are either all right or all wrong, but we definitely need to incorporate extravagant thinking in that midst. i recently heard a john reuben song where he playfully mixes up the idiom, &#8220;familiarity breeds contempt; familiarity breeds content; are we content?&#8221;</p>
<p>secondly, i will make the statement that faithfulness does not equate to faith. as one of the most churched, best educated, and highest income-earning demographics in america, we have a greater responsibility to speak to the culture at large. tending our own gardens is not enough. german churches who supported the nazis had the same mentality. churches in the South who supported slavery were faithful, but they were not acting out of their faith. again, i&#8217;m not saying that this is the pitfall for the korean american church, i&#8217;m merely asserting that faithfulness and our prolific church planting does not indicate true substantial faith.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2007/09/24/new-wine/#comment-972</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your reply gives me a much more specific context to what you&#039;re talking about in the original post - i do appreciate that.  thanks for your extensive reply.

what i mean by my comment is that there are some in the korean american church who do more walking than talking.  or thinking.  when i think about the church i came from, there were church leaders who, like a wartime soldier, would trudge forth, faithfully obeying and faithfully leading.  for them, there seemed to be no dissatisfaction that  their ministry sponsored white american evangelical christianity, or that the korean american christian identity wasn&#039;t totally addressed.  in other words, they don&#039;t really care about what we&#039;re talking about.  that seemed wrong to me...  but looking at their personal lives of devotion and their attitudes towards serving, i can&#039;t really knock them.  they&#039;re just faithful workers for the Lord.

so my comment originated from my own skepticism of my dissatisfaction with the korean american church.  are we really onto something when we think/talk about these issues, or do our dissatisfactions stem from some sin-tainted motive?  i guess i use the faithful, satisfied korean american church goer as an anchor that helps ground my sometimes extravagant thoughts about what korean american christians could/should do.

also... elderj - i&#039;m totally going through that right now.  or i think i am.   thats crazy.

and... by the way, david, i&#039;m a friend of jadanzzy and i just left atl.  i&#039;m sorry i missed you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your reply gives me a much more specific context to what you&#8217;re talking about in the original post &#8211; i do appreciate that.  thanks for your extensive reply.</p>
<p>what i mean by my comment is that there are some in the korean american church who do more walking than talking.  or thinking.  when i think about the church i came from, there were church leaders who, like a wartime soldier, would trudge forth, faithfully obeying and faithfully leading.  for them, there seemed to be no dissatisfaction that  their ministry sponsored white american evangelical christianity, or that the korean american christian identity wasn&#8217;t totally addressed.  in other words, they don&#8217;t really care about what we&#8217;re talking about.  that seemed wrong to me&#8230;  but looking at their personal lives of devotion and their attitudes towards serving, i can&#8217;t really knock them.  they&#8217;re just faithful workers for the Lord.</p>
<p>so my comment originated from my own skepticism of my dissatisfaction with the korean american church.  are we really onto something when we think/talk about these issues, or do our dissatisfactions stem from some sin-tainted motive?  i guess i use the faithful, satisfied korean american church goer as an anchor that helps ground my sometimes extravagant thoughts about what korean american christians could/should do.</p>
<p>also&#8230; elderj &#8211; i&#8217;m totally going through that right now.  or i think i am.   thats crazy.</p>
<p>and&#8230; by the way, david, i&#8217;m a friend of jadanzzy and i just left atl.  i&#8217;m sorry i missed you.</p>
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		<title>By: elderj</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2007/09/24/new-wine/#comment-977</link>
		<dc:creator>elderj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 04:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The disillusionment among 2nd gens is significant and sadly when many leave the &quot;ethnic immigrant&quot; church they don&#039;t necessarily end up any where else.  The christianity to which they&#039;ve been exposed is often so neutered of its power that it ceases in any way to be attractive or compelling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The disillusionment among 2nd gens is significant and sadly when many leave the &#8220;ethnic immigrant&#8221; church they don&#8217;t necessarily end up any where else.  The christianity to which they&#8217;ve been exposed is often so neutered of its power that it ceases in any way to be attractive or compelling.</p>
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