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	<title>Comments on: Sold Out to Jesus? Or Just &quot;Sold Out&quot;?</title>
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	<description>the collision of faith and Asian American culture</description>
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		<title>By: The Fighting 44s&#187; Blog Archive</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2007/03/25/sold-out-to-jesus-or-just-sold-out/#comment-670</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fighting 44s&#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I mentioned previously. Some good things have been written both on Camy Tang&#8217;s blog and at Next Gener.Asian Church. I highly recommend you visit and read up, especially the comments of Al Hsu, thecuttingtruth, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I mentioned previously. Some good things have been written both on Camy Tang&#8217;s blog and at Next Gener.Asian Church. I highly recommend you visit and read up, especially the comments of Al Hsu, thecuttingtruth, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gar</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2007/03/25/sold-out-to-jesus-or-just-sold-out/#comment-669</link>
		<dc:creator>gar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of great comments here by David and others... for myself, I thought I&#039;d chip in that I believe in issues of racism, stereotypes, and ethnic identity, the Asian American Christian community ought to take a harder look at itself.  Part of the process of reflecting our shared identities and communities is reserving the right to criticize the things we see wrong, especially in regards to the voices that represent us.

I&#039;m sure Camy is a well-meaning person, but it seems a bit unrealistic for her to think that if she chooses to write a fiction novel focusing on Asian American Christian characters, her own identity as an Asian American Christian gives her an impenetrable aegis against peers in her community voicing their concerns over comments she&#039;s made in regards to her novel, her publisher, or how her work appears to be marketed.

On the flipside, I&#039;ll be brave enough to say that I want to read the novel and give it chance.  Hopefully the dialogue that&#039;s occurring here and in other places on the WWW will contribute to the novel&#039;s quality as a piece of writing...

-G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of great comments here by David and others&#8230; for myself, I thought I&#8217;d chip in that I believe in issues of racism, stereotypes, and ethnic identity, the Asian American Christian community ought to take a harder look at itself.  Part of the process of reflecting our shared identities and communities is reserving the right to criticize the things we see wrong, especially in regards to the voices that represent us.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Camy is a well-meaning person, but it seems a bit unrealistic for her to think that if she chooses to write a fiction novel focusing on Asian American Christian characters, her own identity as an Asian American Christian gives her an impenetrable aegis against peers in her community voicing their concerns over comments she&#8217;s made in regards to her novel, her publisher, or how her work appears to be marketed.</p>
<p>On the flipside, I&#8217;ll be brave enough to say that I want to read the novel and give it chance.  Hopefully the dialogue that&#8217;s occurring here and in other places on the WWW will contribute to the novel&#8217;s quality as a piece of writing&#8230;</p>
<p>-G.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel so</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2007/03/25/sold-out-to-jesus-or-just-sold-out/#comment-662</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel so</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for sharing these great thoughts.

though the &quot;skits&quot; fallout has been heartbreaking and frustrating at times, this kind of dialogue says that there is hope for the future.

i really appreciate your ideas about living in the tension between east &amp; west, asian &amp; american.  there is a stream of asian-american theology that emphasizes our &quot;pilgrimage&quot; -- that the dissonance we experience as being both asian &amp; american but not fully either reminds us of our ultimate heavenly citizenship.

the task, i suppose, is translating this pilgrim theology into kingdom living here &amp; now.  instead of slipping into &quot;sweet by and by&quot; thinking (i.e., just get through life so that we can get to heaven), it would be amazing to see God&#039;s people actively participate in the redemption of our cultural heritage.  as you rightly observe, we need to get away from this idea that the gospel transcends our culture by somehow &quot;de-asianizing&quot; us (or, at the other extreme, by completely asianzing us).

as members of a marginalized group, we have a unique freedom to create culture (as opposed to those who might be so deeply entrenched in the mainstream that they could not, even if they wanted to, change their culture).

i had a chance to sit down with marko from youth specialties a couple of weeks ago.  i have begun sharing some of my thoughts about that encounter (and weighing in on asian-american youth ministry in general) over at my blog.  it will be interesting to see where all of this leads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for sharing these great thoughts.</p>
<p>though the &#8220;skits&#8221; fallout has been heartbreaking and frustrating at times, this kind of dialogue says that there is hope for the future.</p>
<p>i really appreciate your ideas about living in the tension between east &amp; west, asian &amp; american.  there is a stream of asian-american theology that emphasizes our &#8220;pilgrimage&#8221; &#8212; that the dissonance we experience as being both asian &amp; american but not fully either reminds us of our ultimate heavenly citizenship.</p>
<p>the task, i suppose, is translating this pilgrim theology into kingdom living here &amp; now.  instead of slipping into &#8220;sweet by and by&#8221; thinking (i.e., just get through life so that we can get to heaven), it would be amazing to see God&#8217;s people actively participate in the redemption of our cultural heritage.  as you rightly observe, we need to get away from this idea that the gospel transcends our culture by somehow &#8220;de-asianizing&#8221; us (or, at the other extreme, by completely asianzing us).</p>
<p>as members of a marginalized group, we have a unique freedom to create culture (as opposed to those who might be so deeply entrenched in the mainstream that they could not, even if they wanted to, change their culture).</p>
<p>i had a chance to sit down with marko from youth specialties a couple of weeks ago.  i have begun sharing some of my thoughts about that encounter (and weighing in on asian-american youth ministry in general) over at my blog.  it will be interesting to see where all of this leads.</p>
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		<title>By: andre</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2007/03/25/sold-out-to-jesus-or-just-sold-out/#comment-657</link>
		<dc:creator>andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 03:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know that I appreciate your work in raising this and other situations like &quot;Skits&quot; to the general attention.  I&#039;m also grateful for emergingtruth for keeping watch on this as well.

However, if there is one aspect of the engagement that I wish were a little different, it would be the tone carried in the engagement, especially in the initial stages.  I think that it isn&#039;t always profitable to have a &quot;shoot first&quot; mentality.  I guess I&#039;m concerned that while we battle racism, we not lose the battle of within our own hearts to be charitable.  Perhaps we can approach the likes of Ms Tang with the grace and kindness that reflect Christ rather than champions our grievances.

Just a thought for all of us to keep in mind.  Thanks for all you do.

Grace to you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know that I appreciate your work in raising this and other situations like &#8220;Skits&#8221; to the general attention.  I&#8217;m also grateful for emergingtruth for keeping watch on this as well.</p>
<p>However, if there is one aspect of the engagement that I wish were a little different, it would be the tone carried in the engagement, especially in the initial stages.  I think that it isn&#8217;t always profitable to have a &#8220;shoot first&#8221; mentality.  I guess I&#8217;m concerned that while we battle racism, we not lose the battle of within our own hearts to be charitable.  Perhaps we can approach the likes of Ms Tang with the grace and kindness that reflect Christ rather than champions our grievances.</p>
<p>Just a thought for all of us to keep in mind.  Thanks for all you do.</p>
<p>Grace to you</p>
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		<title>By: MoreThanServingTea</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoreThanServingTea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don&#039;t necessarily agree with Camy Tang&#039;s perspective, I appreciate it and need voices like hers in order to keep engaging in issues I think I&#039;ve already &quot;arrived&quot; on. I would agree with David. I think she faces a harsher critique because she is a Christian, and perhaps because she is a Christian Asian American woman finding success in a field many who would consider themselves more intellectually advanced would thumb their noses down on. (BTW, a healthy dose of chick lit &amp; other fiction coupled with the Psalms does wonders.) Before Skits That Teach came Rickshaw Rally, a VBS curriculum put out by the SBC&#039;s publishing arm. Honestly, fighting stereotypes as an adult is one thing. Preparing my children to fight those has been far more difficult. Adults engaging in healthy dialogue over blogs and conversations is one thing. Allowing those stereotypes to continue by literally teaching them to youth under the guise of spiritual development is what frightens and saddens me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with Camy Tang&#8217;s perspective, I appreciate it and need voices like hers in order to keep engaging in issues I think I&#8217;ve already &#8220;arrived&#8221; on. I would agree with David. I think she faces a harsher critique because she is a Christian, and perhaps because she is a Christian Asian American woman finding success in a field many who would consider themselves more intellectually advanced would thumb their noses down on. (BTW, a healthy dose of chick lit &amp; other fiction coupled with the Psalms does wonders.) Before Skits That Teach came Rickshaw Rally, a VBS curriculum put out by the SBC&#8217;s publishing arm. Honestly, fighting stereotypes as an adult is one thing. Preparing my children to fight those has been far more difficult. Adults engaging in healthy dialogue over blogs and conversations is one thing. Allowing those stereotypes to continue by literally teaching them to youth under the guise of spiritual development is what frightens and saddens me.</p>
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		<title>By: David Park</title>
		<link>http://nextgenerasianchurch.com/2007/03/25/sold-out-to-jesus-or-just-sold-out/#comment-663</link>
		<dc:creator>David Park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cuttingtruth, I don&#039;t disagree with anything that you&#039;ve said, but I have reason to believe that the dialogue that has taken place over the last week or so has given Ms. Tang a bit more to think about and believe that she is less &quot;adamant&quot; and more apologetic than you might think from her initial comments. I don&#039;t see the point in further browbeating at that point. She does represent AAs and yes, she does have the power to perpetuate stereotypes, but I believe that we must welcome her into the community as opposed to ostracize her, as though that would effectively change her tune when she is attacked from the AA Christian community without first trying to explain that she is hurting, not helping the image of AAs. Maybe she has just discovered the weight of what it means to be an AA Christian woman writing and how so much depends on her words. Despite the fact that you and I might be better versed at articulating this tension between being Asian and American and Christian, we would be foolish to think that everyone has or even wants to wrestle with these issues. There are a great number of people that think lightly of their race and culture, but we must not make what we know seem a virtue that they lack, but rather an absolute essential that they too must know.

Now will Camy Tang promote stereotypes and mock Asian speech or cultural mores? Possibly, but I believe we can accomplish more by being her Mordecai as opposed to her naysayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cuttingtruth, I don&#8217;t disagree with anything that you&#8217;ve said, but I have reason to believe that the dialogue that has taken place over the last week or so has given Ms. Tang a bit more to think about and believe that she is less &#8220;adamant&#8221; and more apologetic than you might think from her initial comments. I don&#8217;t see the point in further browbeating at that point. She does represent AAs and yes, she does have the power to perpetuate stereotypes, but I believe that we must welcome her into the community as opposed to ostracize her, as though that would effectively change her tune when she is attacked from the AA Christian community without first trying to explain that she is hurting, not helping the image of AAs. Maybe she has just discovered the weight of what it means to be an AA Christian woman writing and how so much depends on her words. Despite the fact that you and I might be better versed at articulating this tension between being Asian and American and Christian, we would be foolish to think that everyone has or even wants to wrestle with these issues. There are a great number of people that think lightly of their race and culture, but we must not make what we know seem a virtue that they lack, but rather an absolute essential that they too must know.</p>
<p>Now will Camy Tang promote stereotypes and mock Asian speech or cultural mores? Possibly, but I believe we can accomplish more by being her Mordecai as opposed to her naysayers.</p>
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		<title>By: The Cutting Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Cutting Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one who has &quot;stood on the sidelines&quot; and &quot;judged&quot; I would like suggest that we regain some perspective on this whole thing.

First, anytime an Asian American Christian is able to break into an artistic and literary arena previously denied him/her, it is a cause for celebration.  Anytime an AA Christian - once mute -  gains a voice, that is something to applaud.

It is such a breakthrough moment, that even if the AA author came out and said that she employed some AA stereotypes as necessary plot devices, I think we can give her the benefit of the doubt.

But when the author unapologetically, adamantly, and with crystal-clear articulation states that she finds hilarious certain stereotypes that the majority has found morally reprehensible, then warning signs have to start ringing.  When what others have labeled &quot;horribly, inexcusably, and unquestionably racist,&quot; she has described as hilarious, Ms. Tang has left nothing to doubt anymore.


As such, when she says that she plans on using stereotypes in her novel &quot;to entertain,&quot; all kinds of red flags have to go up.  To not be alarmed - after having been given so obvious a warning - is to be an indifferent bystander.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one who has &#8220;stood on the sidelines&#8221; and &#8220;judged&#8221; I would like suggest that we regain some perspective on this whole thing.</p>
<p>First, anytime an Asian American Christian is able to break into an artistic and literary arena previously denied him/her, it is a cause for celebration.  Anytime an AA Christian &#8211; once mute &#8211;  gains a voice, that is something to applaud.</p>
<p>It is such a breakthrough moment, that even if the AA author came out and said that she employed some AA stereotypes as necessary plot devices, I think we can give her the benefit of the doubt.</p>
<p>But when the author unapologetically, adamantly, and with crystal-clear articulation states that she finds hilarious certain stereotypes that the majority has found morally reprehensible, then warning signs have to start ringing.  When what others have labeled &#8220;horribly, inexcusably, and unquestionably racist,&#8221; she has described as hilarious, Ms. Tang has left nothing to doubt anymore.</p>
<p>As such, when she says that she plans on using stereotypes in her novel &#8220;to entertain,&#8221; all kinds of red flags have to go up.  To not be alarmed &#8211; after having been given so obvious a warning &#8211; is to be an indifferent bystander.</p>
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		<title>By: David Park</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Camy,

Thanks for taking the time to respond to my blog post. I feel that the criticism that you&#039;ve received, even if it can be justified, is still a bit unfair to you. First of all, I admire you a great deal because I think that you are someone who is partaking in the creation of culture, media, and voice. That alone is a big step that many of Asian Americans do not take, but somehow many of us feel justified in critiqueing anyone who dares step forward. That is an environment that inhibits creativity as opposed to promoting it. I say, for better or worse, it is better to be in your shoes than those who sit on the sidelines and judge. You are a leader and that is to be admired, but of course, we are all discovering that whew, doesn&#039;t that mean you have more responsibility than you thought? I dare us all to take on as much responsibility.

I am learning and exploring all of these things as well, as I, only recently, have begun to identify myself as Asian American as opposed to Korean American. In any case, thanks for your voice and your openness to see how much you mean to the community. Write on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Camy,</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time to respond to my blog post. I feel that the criticism that you&#8217;ve received, even if it can be justified, is still a bit unfair to you. First of all, I admire you a great deal because I think that you are someone who is partaking in the creation of culture, media, and voice. That alone is a big step that many of Asian Americans do not take, but somehow many of us feel justified in critiqueing anyone who dares step forward. That is an environment that inhibits creativity as opposed to promoting it. I say, for better or worse, it is better to be in your shoes than those who sit on the sidelines and judge. You are a leader and that is to be admired, but of course, we are all discovering that whew, doesn&#8217;t that mean you have more responsibility than you thought? I dare us all to take on as much responsibility.</p>
<p>I am learning and exploring all of these things as well, as I, only recently, have begun to identify myself as Asian American as opposed to Korean American. In any case, thanks for your voice and your openness to see how much you mean to the community. Write on.</p>
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