With all respect I must say that pastor Foley’s article is a pile of shite. If I didn’t know that sarcasm was never invented in the Korean society I would have thought this was an attempt of piss taking but of course I know better. It’s funny how some Koreans believe they are so superior, the worst racism I have ever met apart from the Boers in South Africa.

Not that I believe in a God who is as vain as the one the Christians have inherited from the Jews but still I would suggest that you try to read the Bible instead of listening to some self taught men in Seoul if you want to call your self a good Christian.

Just to put things straight, I think Koreans are just as good as any other human beings; it’s the sodding culture I can’t stand. Respect for elders you say. I’d say disrespect for women!

Chris Cobb
Leyton, United Kingdom

1. Even apart from the exegetical implications, which are its own issue, I have a problem with this statement’s assumptions:

“I would contend that the answer is, emphatically, adamantly, no. I would contend that exchanging the EM model for this increasingly popular “multicultural” model is equivalent to what Esau does in the Old Testament when he exchanges his birthright for a bowl of soup because he is hungry.”

This assumes that being in an EM is like Jacob the loved and choosing a non-EM ‘model’ is equivalent to Esau the hated. I fail to see how the EM would have this ‘chosen’ status over ‘multicultural congregations.’ I am not a great defender of multiculturalism as an end goal to church ministry. However, I hope we’re not throwing out the baby with the bath water by stating that having a multicultural emphasis because it is rooted in our passion for Christ and the Gospel is somehow inherently lesser than having an EM.

2. Pastor Foley notes:

“So much do these EM’s reject what they see as the limitations of the Korean EM model that they often dislike even being identified as EM’s.”

Being someone who has pastored in an EM, was part of an EM that became an independent church I do not think our church is not an EM because we rejected the model of being an ‘EM.’ I can’t help but think that the word ‘model’ also has inherent flaws. ‘Model’ assumes that we are looking at something that we deem worthy to emulate. So we as an EM, look at an independent church and say to ourselves, “Hey, we want what they have.” But I hope we dare never do such a thing. An EM is limited not because the model is limited, but because an EM is NOT a church. It is a ministry inside a church. Thus, as much as an EM pastor wants to say they are the pastor of their congregation, ultimately they are not. Their authority is only derivative which flows from the Senior Pastor, usually a Korean pastor.

I used to think that Korean pastors were so authoritative (and they really might be). But they have the biblical authority to oversee their church and yes, the EM IS a part of that pastor’s church. Like it or not, an EM pastor is under that pastor’s authority and he has every biblical mandate to care for his flock, even at the disagreement of the EM pastor.

I did not want to become a pastor of my church because I liked the model of independence for independence sake. I am a pastor of my church because biblically I can lead this church with the vision I believe the Lord has given me and this is my GOD-GIVEN responsibility as their pastor and not as their EM pastor, which biblically-speaking, is limiting.

3. Pastor Foley writes:

“Seoul is the place where eleven of the twelve largest churches in the world are located. The United States is the country that is home to none of the one hundred forty largest churches in the world. If this is true, then why are our second-generation Korean Christian leaders so certain that the path to spiritual growth for their generation leads out of their Korean Christian heritage rather than more fully, deeply into it?”

I can see no greater fallacy than to think that having the twelve largest churches means that automatically Korea is a spiritual behemoth. In my conversation with many Korean pastors serving in Korea, the cultural tide of Korea is dominated by materialism and image. Surely, we cannot think that size means a heart hunger for God. The Catholic Church was for a long time a dominant and large entity within the Christian world. Adherents range in the tens of millions. But so many are culturally Catholic, and yet have no idea what they believe. The same seems to be coming true for Christians in Korea. Many are leaving their roots in their understanding their faith in light of persecution and now health and wealth is quite familiar as these large churches also spend millions on building upgrades. Christianity is very much in danger of being a social tradition of families, rather than the Gospel-driven Body of Christ. I am certainly not saying that there are no true churches in Korea. But I believe that Jesus’ 7 letters to the churches in Revelation would certainly apply to the large churches in Korea.

Pastor Foley marvels at Korean Christianity. Yes, there is much to give thanks for. Koreans are respectful, sacrificial, giving, hard-praying and hard-working. But also embedded in all of this is an insidious works-based righteousness that at best undermines those works to be nothing but mere forms and at worst undermines the soul. I am reminded of Isaiah 58, where God is quite lucid in His critique of Israel as they came to Him with their fasts, but their hearts were far from Him. We are ALL capable of such hypocrisy, EMers, Independent churchers, and yes, Koreans in Korea. Pastor Foley, please do not give Koreans more credit than they deserve, because they should not receive such things.

4. Pastor Foley notes:

“Every book I read on Korean church history makes me realize how superficial much of Christianity is compared to the Korean branch.”

Superficiality is judged as that which is exterior is not supported by that which is interior. Paul writes:

Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, 5for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God’s church? (1 Tim 3:2-5)

I simply have rarely seen biblical elders in the Korean church that fit this description. I have seen Korean pastors and Elders love money through their continuing acquisition of things in order to gain status (and sometimes to even obtain eldership). I have seen rebellious children whose hearts are far from Christ. I have seen elders tell their kids that they should stay at home and study for their exams rather than go to church on Sunday (regularly). I have seen Korean elders and deacons denigrate the church, church ministry, pastors because they think of the ministry as a job for “losers” or “failures.” I have seen Korean elders and leaders cause the break-up of churches because of their irritability and quarrelsomeness. And this is not a deacon-elder-pastor problem, this is ingrained in a culture where dignity and respect flows from title rather than character and where shame and guilt drives ambition and ministry. And yet, the façade of church leadership and spirituality remains.

Of course, there are those who genuinely pursue Christ as an elder and deacon and pastor in the Korean church. But I am addressing what I believe to be a fallacy. To think that Koreans are LESS superficial in faith than other Christians is simply not true.

5. Concerning the 10 virtues:

Deep obligation to family, friends, the church, and Korean people
Commitment to being a diaspora people
Respect for elders
Passionate, whole-being prayer
Preparing and eating meals together
Chutzpah
The ability to suffer well
Respect for the office of the pastor
Deep, holy reverence for God revealed in both worship and life
Sense of Korean history and connection to it; a conviction that Koreans are a people of destiny

I would say that most are truly virtuous about Korean Christians. But I hope these are virtue that lead one to glorify God with all things (1 Cor 10:31). If this is true however, then I do not understand how virtue two, five, ten fit into this ideal. Number 10 is perhaps one that I have never understood. It generally flows from an allegorical ideal that is espoused by Koreans, as if the say that Korea is like an Israel or a “Chosun people” (a long-standing play on words that many Korean pastors use). Without going to much into the logic, this is a fallacy in that biblical Israel has no modern-day comparisons. It was absolutely unique in the midst of God’s historic-redemptive plan and thus any references to any people having this chosenness or Israel-like status is biblically tenuous.

My note to Pastor Foley is that I am thankful for this article. It has made me reflect on my ethnic heritage as a Korean and my spiritual heritage as a Christian. I agree with him that multiculturalism is the new “trend” in emerging churches and that Koreans are rejecting their heritage by denying their Korean identity. But, I would also add that it is critical that we do not assume that the Korean church is representative of something more than it truly is: a people group, along with the thousands of others that will surround the throne of Jesus in worship to Him (Rev 4-5).